adding to what I posted yesterday - the 'dress' thing - I have to say that, although I never expected to find myself in the Church of England, I am definitely appreciating getting to experience an old and rich tradition from the inside.
It's easy to dismiss what we see of the inherited church, but being made to inhabit it is stretching my horizons, broadening my ecclesiology, deepening my theological understanding and, I suppose, helping me to grow up a bit.
as I understand it, when emerging church writers have negative things to say about the institutional church, it's directed more at the newer mega-style Gen X, seeker type models rather than traditional church.
Also:
During a recent conversation, someone announced to me that they didn't believe in ordained ministry (at all).
I can live with this - particularly as the comment was intended to provoke a reaction rather than spark a theological debate.
Clearly there are right and wrong ways of perceiving and excercising ordained ministry, but to state that it is fundamentally wrong is to say that a whole lot of people have completely mis-understood God's call on their lives. That's a big thing to say...
Ordained ministry isn't for everyone - obviously. But I followed a path to ordination because I believed that was where God was leading me. I didn't want to be a vicar but I did want to be obedient. The selection process took almost two years and involved a whole lot of people. I'm pretty certain I haven't mis-understood God's call on my life.
The real problem I had with the comment was that it concluded: 'ordained ministry is not in the bible.'
Bad models of ordained ministry where the vicar 'does' and the congregation listen are not in the bible, but no thinking person would say that this model of ministry was right and good anyway.
Ordination by prayer and the laying on of hands is certainly in the New Testament (e.g. the seven deacons in Acts 6).
This is the church recognising the gift that the Holy Spirit has already given to the individual.
And the three-fold ministry of bishops, priests and deacons are all found in the New Testament.
In 1 Timothy, Overseers (bishops) and Deacons are given instructions.
1 Peter 5, the elders (presbuteroi, or 'priests') are instructed to: 'tend the flock that is in your charge, exercising the oversight (episcope)... as God would have you do it.'
ordination isn't for everyone (or even for every leader), but neither is it wrong or somehow un-biblical.
how leaders lead is another question altogether...